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Doom wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:07 pm
ginger wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:03 pm
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Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:27 pm
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Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:09 pm


Yep, on the Inferno forum, but to be fair so far its just 1 posting suggesting the Steelers have been dishonest and ignored it.
Seen a few comments on twitter/Facebook too.....anyone would think Cardiff's roster is dirt cheap the way they speak.
I'm sure the likes of Cox,Sandford,Daniel,Martin,Bowns,Richardson,Crawford,Ully,Arniel etc came dirt cheap and play for peanuts.
Our bigger income from attendances is balanced out by the fact that we pay a fortune to hire the arena, unlike Cardiff. Sport is cyclic and the stars of the old Cardiff team have mostly moved on and not been replaced, hardly unusual in professional sport, there was even a time when Manchester United used to be good :)
Hilarious when you look at the rosters and league experience. Cardiff have more AHL, Czech, DEL and Allsvensken experience than us, we have more Liiga experience.

To suggest there's massive differences in budget is laughable. Weren't we rumoured to also have been in for Arniel?
We probably do have the highest wage bill in the league, but I doubt there's much in it and certainly not enough to make a fuss about.

Looking at my pre season goals prediction, I had Belfast top followed by us and then Cardiff and Nottingham just behind.

In Tedesco and Barriga Belfast added two of the top goal scorers in our league to an already strong roster....They won't have cost peanuts.

They also managed to retain the top netminder from the previous season.

Unfortunately for Belfast Besko is having a stinker this season and Tedesco has failed to fire, whereas the players we signed who struggled last season have really found their feet in our league (Juusola, Simpson etc.).

I think it's good recruitment by Fox, but also there's an element of luck in it. The stars seem to have aligned for us and maybe this year it's our turn.

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I would have said us and Belfast probably spending about the same. Every signing they announced I thought looked good and not cheap. Like you say, Barriga and Tedesco will have been signed on top end money.

Cardiff will not be far behind and I doubt Guildford are either.

I think we got Simpson and Juusola on cheaper deals than expected, probably with a 'come and prove it and you'll get a bigger deal next year (whether here or elsewhere)'. Also can't forget the uni deals as I doubt we get Watling without it.

Always an element of luck in building a winning team, but I've said elsewhere that I think Fox got a high number of his first choices this year and it shows. His systems require high discipline at both ends of the rink, plus speed. Unfortunately I think he's had to take a couple of bigger gambles the last two years, and some have not worked for various reasons. What I would say is he has never recruited someone who I thought was really poor (apart from maybe McNally but there's a decent hockey player in him too).

Interested to know what you think might have happened last year had we had Saucerman and Tansey as opposed to Schulze and Piche?
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This is a good team, cannot really compare to teams from 20 years ago, times were different then, players had certain roles to do etc. But one thing is for certain now and back then is that successful teams were all built around a strong defence and goaltending. This year is no different. Let few goals in and you are always in with a good chance of winning the game
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greeny wrote:
Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:54 pm
This is a good team, cannot really compare to teams from 20 years ago, times were different then, players had certain roles to do etc. But one thing is for certain now and back then is that successful teams were all built around a strong defence and goaltending. This year is no different. Let few goals in and you are always in with a good chance of winning the game
I'm a believer that good defence often generates good offense, because when teams are struggling to break a defence down they will over commit and leave themselves open at the back. A team like ours which can break at speed will take advantage of that and get in behind them.

A team we've struggled with this season so far is Glasgow, because they've played a disciplined defensive game against us without over committing....It makes the next two games very interesting.

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Interested to know what you think might have happened last year had we had Saucerman and Tansey as opposed to Schulze and Piche?
I didn't really think there was much wrong with our defence last season, the problems seemed to be at the other end of the ice when the forwards dried up, particularly Kristo who couldn't hit a barn door from a yard.

Also Greenfield's numbers dropped off significantly in the second half of last season, which may have been down to fatigue rather than the defence in front of him. We now have Morrone to help him out and give him a rest from time to time.

I certainly think Saucerman and Tansey are an upgrade and would have given us a better chance to win some of those games in the 2nd half of last season, but I'm not convinced that would have been enough to win silverware.

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Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:04 pm
Any mention of wage caps yet?

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Here we go.....Taken from The Inferno:

And whilst on the topic of cash and Sheffield‘s roster, Davy from AVFTB has tweeted tonight that this Sheffield team is “by far and away the most expensive roster ever assembled in the EIHL”.

Now, that might be partially down to inflation and he doesn’t name his source - but you can pretty much guess where that info has come from. It might be a bit of spin to try to deflect from the Giants org, but as I said last night I was shocked how many of their team have AHL experience.


I'm not quite sure how a Belfast supporter would know how much our roster costs, but based on age and previous experience in top leagues I don't see much difference between our roster and those of Belfast, Nottingham and Cardiff.

Taken from Elite Prospects:

Sheffield Steelers: 2 165 GP
WC: 27 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 42 GP
Liiga: 268 GP
KHL: 86 GP
Czechia: 60 GP
AHL: 436 GP
DEL: 6 GP

Cardiff Devils: 4 725 GP
NHL: 1 GP
WC: 92 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 192 GP
Liiga: 3 GP
Czechia: 76 GP
AHL: 630 GP
DEL: 52 GP

Belfast Giants: 2 833 GP
WC: 55 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 94 GP
AHL: 449 GP
DEL: 67 GP

Nottingham Panthers: 1 500 GP
NHL: 195 GP
WC: 28 GP
SHL: 117 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 303 GP
Liiga: 212 GP
KHL: 44 GP
AHL: 519 GP
DEL: 93 GP

I believe Cardiff have the same number of players as we do with AHL experience.

Juusola signed straight from a top league at a very decent age, but we only got him because his numbers last season were 32 games 0 goals 3 assists....and I believe Coventry were also in for him, so I doubt he was a budget breaker.

It was obvious the wages were going to be brought up, because we've been so dominant this season. I don't recall supporters all having us down to win the league at the start of the season when they saw all the completed rosters for the first time.....Most picked Belfast.

Bitter....Bitter......Bitter. :Smiled:

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Doom wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:19 am
Doom wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:04 pm
Any mention of wage caps yet?

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Here we go.....Taken from The Inferno:

And whilst on the topic of cash and Sheffield‘s roster, Davy from AVFTB has tweeted tonight that this Sheffield team is “by far and away the most expensive roster ever assembled in the EIHL”.

Now, that might be partially down to inflation and he doesn’t name his source - but you can pretty much guess where that info has come from. It might be a bit of spin to try to deflect from the Giants org, but as I said last night I was shocked how many of their team have AHL experience.


I'm not quite sure how a Belfast supporter would know how much our roster costs, but based on age and previous experience in top leagues I don't see much difference between our roster and those of Belfast, Nottingham and Cardiff.

Taken from Elite Prospects:

Sheffield Steelers: 2 165 GP
WC: 27 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 42 GP
Liiga: 268 GP
KHL: 86 GP
Czechia: 60 GP
AHL: 436 GP
DEL: 6 GP

Cardiff Devils: 4 725 GP
NHL: 1 GP
WC: 92 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 192 GP
Liiga: 3 GP
Czechia: 76 GP
AHL: 630 GP
DEL: 52 GP

Belfast Giants: 2 833 GP
WC: 55 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 94 GP
AHL: 449 GP
DEL: 67 GP

Nottingham Panthers: 1 500 GP
NHL: 195 GP
WC: 28 GP
SHL: 117 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 303 GP
Liiga: 212 GP
KHL: 44 GP
AHL: 519 GP
DEL: 93 GP

I believe Cardiff have the same number of players as we do with AHL experience.

Juusola signed straight from a top league at a very decent age, but we only got him because his numbers last season were 32 games 0 goals 3 assists....and I believe Coventry were also in for him, so I doubt he was a budget breaker.

It was obvious the wages were going to be brought up, because we've been so dominant this season. I don't recall supporters all having us down to win the league at the start of the season when they saw all the completed rosters for the first time.....Most picked Belfast.

Bitter....Bitter......Bitter. :Smiled:

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Yes sour grapes from a fan that expected the 8-9 potential top line forwards they signed to achieve unfortunately for Belfast it hasn’t materialised.

This TEAM is the most balanced I’ve seen in years, I said so at the start of the season.
Balmas bosses the PP worth his weight in gold, next level hockey IQ. Aaron give him his uni deal for next season pronto. Every player to a man has been fantastic for us I’m Quietly confident we will have achieved something quite special come seasons end. Well done to mr Fox 🦊 he finally got the pieces he wanted in Tansey and Saucerman, very much worth the wait.
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Doom wrote:
Fri Jan 05, 2024 8:19 am
Doom wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:04 pm
Any mention of wage caps yet?

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Here we go.....Taken from The Inferno:

And whilst on the topic of cash and Sheffield‘s roster, Davy from AVFTB has tweeted tonight that this Sheffield team is “by far and away the most expensive roster ever assembled in the EIHL”.

Now, that might be partially down to inflation and he doesn’t name his source - but you can pretty much guess where that info has come from. It might be a bit of spin to try to deflect from the Giants org, but as I said last night I was shocked how many of their team have AHL experience.


I'm not quite sure how a Belfast supporter would know how much our roster costs, but based on age and previous experience in top leagues I don't see much difference between our roster and those of Belfast, Nottingham and Cardiff.

Taken from Elite Prospects:

Sheffield Steelers: 2 165 GP
WC: 27 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 42 GP
Liiga: 268 GP
KHL: 86 GP
Czechia: 60 GP
AHL: 436 GP
DEL: 6 GP

Cardiff Devils: 4 725 GP
NHL: 1 GP
WC: 92 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 192 GP
Liiga: 3 GP
Czechia: 76 GP
AHL: 630 GP
DEL: 52 GP

Belfast Giants: 2 833 GP
WC: 55 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 94 GP
AHL: 449 GP
DEL: 67 GP

Nottingham Panthers: 1 500 GP
NHL: 195 GP
WC: 28 GP
SHL: 117 GP
HockeyAllsvenskan: 303 GP
Liiga: 212 GP
KHL: 44 GP
AHL: 519 GP
DEL: 93 GP

I believe Cardiff have the same number of players as we do with AHL experience.

Juusola signed straight from a top league at a very decent age, but we only got him because his numbers last season were 32 games 0 goals 3 assists....and I believe Coventry were also in for him, so I doubt he was a budget breaker.

It was obvious the wages were going to be brought up, because we've been so dominant this season. I don't recall supporters all having us down to win the league at the start of the season when they saw all the completed rosters for the first time.....Most picked Belfast.

Bitter....Bitter......Bitter. :Smiled:

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Just laughable really, and very ironic coming from Belfast!

Belfast/Sheffield budget will be virtually the same as each other. I think they're disappointed as it's shown that Keefe isn't the great recruiter they think he is, and they're struggling to find talent (hence 3/4 signings since the season started were 2 previous year Giants, and Curran who'd played over here for a couple of years).

Best get them some chips to go with all the salt :D
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Have to say I'm loving all the crying from some of the Cardiff and Belfast fans. I'll pop some handkerchiefs in the away end next time they visit :D

Don't remember seeing any posts on here when Cardiff and Belfast have had success in the past moaning about wage their wage structure(s) etc. More that we needed to catch them up, recruit and play better!

Really hope our lean successful spell is over. Looking forward to the usual chant "If you all the Steelers, clap your hands" coming back, cause that means we're bringing back the silverware success!

Hope we beat them 5-1 every game. Cause this game was our best performance of the season so far.
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smbmetal wrote:
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Have to say I'm loving all the crying from some of the Cardiff and Belfast fans. I'll pop some handkerchiefs in the away end next time they visit :D

Don't remember seeing any posts on here when Cardiff and Belfast have had success in the past moaning about wage their wage structure(s) etc. More that we needed to catch them up, recruit and play better!

Really hope our lean successful spell is over. Looking forward to the usual chant "If you all the Steelers, clap your hands" coming back, cause that means we're bringing back the silverware success!

Hope we beat them 5-1 every game. Cause this game was our best performance of the season so far.
What I do find interesting, is that the criticism both sets of fans are giving their own teams sounds very similar to the criticism our fans gave the Steelers teams of the past 2 years. Probably worth us remembering that when we have trophyless years - lets try not to sound that entitled and remember that most players and coaches are not just around for a holiday/easy pay day
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Doom wrote:
Wed Jan 03, 2024 10:04 pm
Any mention of wage caps yet?

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It looks like I called this correctly.

It seemed so obvious that the bleating would start because we're doing so well.....they haven't let me down. 🤭

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